there's no pretense that they have an interest in spending and when tim geithner's first offer in the negotiations was $1.6 trillion in new revenue, raise the debt ceiling with impunity and have more stimulus spending, that unbridled foolishness that has jarred the gop and the house. so those sort of shutdown questions become easier to coalescing. >> so it's a yes? it's on the table, is that right? >> well, as you and i have talked before, my home state is illinois, which is an example of what not to do. they chose revenues at a state level, didn't deal with the underlying spending drivers and what happened? higher than average unemployment, more per capita debt than any other state in the union almost and been downgraded twice. $7 billion in unpaid bills after the revenues come in. so i'm sensing just in talking to a lot of colleagues today and over the past couple of days a higher level of interest in going much further than they have ever gone before. >> last one, are all revenues off the table as far as you and the house leadership is concerned? >> yeah, that is old news that is n